Start up some GvGing?

IllidanIcerage · #1 05-31-2006, 11:39 AM

As some of you may noticed, the Guild Ladder restarted yesterday (May 30th)

I was thinking that we need to do more as a guild, almost everything we have been doing has been for the alliance.

Please vote if you think we should do some GvG.

Photics · #2 05-31-2006, 12:09 PM

Guild vs Guild is not an inclusive activity. You basically have to look through the 100-player roster, then pick the eight best players. The other 92 do nothing. Maybe they can be back-up players. Maybe they play at different times. But at the end of the day, only eight players will be flown to the big show.

That's when you have to look at this logistically. Who wants to go to Germany for the tournament? That's the ultimate objective... to win the tournament.

I don't see that level of dedication.

Furthermore, we were great at GvG. We quickly became the #2 guild on the ladder. One more win and we would have been #1. Yet, that loss created internal strife. Guild vs Guild is only fun when you win. When you lose, it's not entertaining. I like the fact that our guild score is blank. It's not good... it's not bad... it's just not there. That means there's nothing to argue over.

IllidanIcerage · #3 05-31-2006, 12:11 PM

It wouldn't have to be ranked GvG, it could just be scrimmages within the guild or unranked with other GvG guilds we know members from.

Photics · #4 05-31-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IllidanIcerage

It wouldn't have to be ranked GvG, it could just be scrimmages within the guild or unranked with other GvG guilds we know members from.

This happens already. Scrimmages seem to be popular in our alliance.

Do you also realize something else? The ladder has a huge exploit. HUGE... HUGE... BIG BIG! If all the guilds in our alliances agreed to rally behind one guild, we could easily advance them to tournament level.

With nine guilds willing to take a dive, in order to advance the chosen guild, a high rank can quickly be achieved. Then, the eight best PvP players of the entire alliance would join the chosen guild.

Locke Envinyatar · #5 05-31-2006, 01:01 PM

I voted yes.

GVG will be fun, however, how we go about it depends on what we want to acheive from it.

If we want to win the world champs, then having an "elite" team of eight players with perhaps one or two subs is required, but along with all the bad things, arguments, etc. that comes along with it.

If all we want to do is start up GvG whenever we want to without caring about our guild rank, then I guess there's nothing to stop us but pride. Though imo quite a big chunk of GvG - the build planning and pre-match team preparation - would be lost.

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Originally Posted by photics

Do you also realize something else? The ladder has a huge exploit. HUGE... HUGE... BIG BIG! If all the guilds in our alliances agreed to rally behind one guild, we could easily advance them to tournament level.

With nine guilds willing to take a dive, in order to advance the chosen guild, a high rank can quickly be achieved. Then, the eight best PvP players of the entire alliance would join the chosen guild.

Um, how exactly, photics? What then, after you get that "high rank"? You get rolled over by the guilds at the top? I don't get it.

IllidanIcerage · #6 05-31-2006, 01:03 PM

I think its picking the best players out of 100 people vs. picking the best players out of 1000.

Some ranked GvG without caring about rank would be nice, it would help everyone get Balthazar's faction and unlock more skills.

Photics · #7 05-31-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke Envinyatar

Um, how exactly, photics? What then, after you get that "high rank"? You get rolled over by the guilds at the top? I don't get it.

I've watched the top guilds play. They make noob mistakes too. Which has a greater chance of success... finding eight good players out of 100 or finding eight good players out of 1000?

People don't fight in Guild vs Guild right now because winning seems so far away or because it is so frustrating. If you could give your guild the boost of a good rank, your members will suddenly become interested.

With me... it's not a question of if it will work. It's more a quesiton of ethics. I've seen lots of ways to exploit the ladder. Heh, we're indirectly the cause of the 12 vs 8 GvG exploit. I don't have the "win at all costs" mentality. If I was serious about GvG, I would play with the rules in mind. Yet, I don't play GvG at all. I don't find it fun.

The last time I enjoyed GvG was during the days of the Guild Lord Zerg.

WarV · #8 05-31-2006, 01:51 PM

I'm up for anything really. I have been waiting for people to do more PvP.

I stop doing the HoH long ago when rank didn't matter. Won it a few times.

Now I have to be rank 3 to even get a group and I don't feel like doing iway the whole time just so I can do another type of group >=(

I will do HoH if its with the guild. I will do GvG as well. There just has to be other people.

GWaddict · #9 05-31-2006, 02:04 PM

I say no, becuase even though I wouldn't be able to go to Germany anyway.

If all the guild rallied around one guild and we choose the best 8 players, so that would mean 2 guilds wouldn't have any ppl in the pvp team and 992 ppl would be left out in the cold to watch the 8 play it out.

And even if the alliance didn't pull for one guild 92 ppl would still be left in the cold from our guild. Also i think it might creat some rifs in the ppl in the guild/allinace that pvp's.

IllidanIcerage · #10 05-31-2006, 02:10 PM

I think we defently have ruled out serious GvGing now, everyone saying that we shouldn't has good reasoning. The question if we should do GvG just for fun still stands though.